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本帖最后由 hxz1199 于 2010-5-31 23:37 编辑

应该邀请朝鲜和中国一起参与。结束了通报一声算什么?如果真的把朝鲜当做对手那就尊重一些吧。一个不尊重对手的国家也不是一个值得尊重的国家。
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应该邀请朝鲜和中国一起参与。结束了通报一声算什么?如果真的把朝鲜当做对手那就尊重一些吧。一个不尊重对手的国家也不是一个值得尊重的国家。
hxz1199 发表于 2010-5-31 23:34


不宣而战 用鱼雷偷袭还算是值得尊重的对手吗?韩国自认是光明磊落的查这件案子 就不需要朝鲜中国非要来做旁证 一个不宣而战用鱼雷偷袭还不承认的对手请来只会来捣蛋

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2楼的,韩国已经邀请中国调查组去调查,问题是中国至今未表态!

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不宣而战 用鱼雷偷袭还算是值得尊重的对手吗?韩国自认是光明磊落的查这件案子 就不需要朝鲜中国非要来做旁证 一个不宣而战用鱼雷偷袭还不承认的对手请来只会来捣蛋
wcl22 发表于 2010-6-1 08:24


太绝对了吧哥们。这可不是旁证的问题。按照你的说法,李明博也不用再这个问题上和中国高层交流,那他来中国只是旅游了?那么韩国邀请澳大利亚、瑞典和美国参与调查又是为什么?为了所谓的旁证?进一步说,您又有何证据说明韩国的对手“用鱼雷偷袭”,要知道,中国都一直没表态呀?再进 一步说,您知道韩国的“对手”是谁?
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中国没表态只是不想搅进去,并非证明朝鲜就是清白的。
朝鲜所提出的疑问,均被较合理的解释了。
而朝鲜却在撒谎,说自己没有那种130吨级的潜艇,这种谎撒的太不高明了!

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一篇老外的博文
http://www.defensestudies.org/?p=2575#more-2575

The Cheonan Incident and North Korea’s Northern Limit Line Strategy
by Bruce E. Bechtol, Jr.

On March 26, 2010, a North Korean mini-sub slipped past the Northern Limit Line (NLL), the de facto western sea border separating the two Koreas, and fired what has now been identified as a CHT-02D, indigenously produced, wake-homing torpedo at the Cheonan South Korean Navy ship.  The torpedo exploded just below the hull of the Cheonan, producing a “shockwave bubble effect” that literally split the South Korean ship in half. The results of the attack were both compelling and tragic for South Korea.  Forty-six sailors (out of a crew of 104 aboard) perished as the ship sank, and more people were killed in the salvage and rescue efforts that followed.
Since 1999, the NLL has been a growing source of contention between the two Koreas, and the Cheonan attack is easily the most deadly manifestation of the competition over the disputed border. But it was certainly not the first provocation initiated by the North Koreans, and it is unlikely to be the last. Most of the previous incidents in the vicinity of the NLL, described in detail below, have had four things in common: 1) they are intentionally initiated at moments when they have the likelihood of garnering the greatest attention on the regional and perhaps even the world stage; 2) they initially appear to be incidents that are relatively small, easily contained, and quickly “resolved;” 3) they involve continuously changing tactics and techniques; and 4) North Korea denies responsibility for the event.  Certainly, this most recent violent provocation fulfills all four of the key factors listed above.
A leadership shuffle in early 2009 accompanied the start of the latest period of tension over the NLL, when in January the North Koreans stepped up their rhetoric with regard to the disputed area, threatening an “all out confrontational posture” against the South in response to what they called violations of the sea border.  Just weeks later, General Kim Kyok-sik, who had been Chief of the General Staff, was transferred to command of the Fourth Corps of the North Korean army, whose area of responsibility borders the NLL.  Kim Kyok-sik is known to be one of Kim Jong-il’s most trusted generals, and was likely put in his new position so that he could help plan activities in the NLL area.  Soon thereafter, the head of the Operations Department (which at the time was under the authority of the Korean Workers’ Party), General O Kuk-ryol, was moved to a senior position on the National Defense Commission (NDC), the chief command and control organ of the DPRK’s armed forces.  Within weeks of this move, the Operations Department was then placed under the control of the Reconnaissance Bureau — the DPRK’s military intelligence organization — and the NDC.  It is now apparent that O Kuk-ryol was also likely involved in the planning of the recent NLL brinkmanship, as it appears the mini-sub that attacked the Cheonan may have been a Reconnaissance Bureau vessel, and not subordinate to the North Korean navy.  Thus, it appears that planning for incidents in the NLL began as early as January of 2009, involved shifts in the leadership positions of key personnel within the party and the military, and took several months to build up for events that occurred in the late fall and winter of 2009 and in 2010.
The first incident that occurred near the NLL during this latest spate of tensions took place on November 10, 2009, and was largely ignored by the public: a North Korean ship crossed the the NLL and was involved in a brief skirmish with South Korean craft; the ship was eventually chased back across the line and is rumored to have suffered heavy damage and casualties.  Months later, in January of 2010, the North Korean army fired nearly 400 live artillery rounds of various calibers at points as close as a kilometer and a half to the NLL.  This incident raised considerable angst in South Korea at the time.  The March 26 Cheonan attack is thus only the most violent and extreme of what have now been several North Korean provocations within the last six months.
Analysts and pundits have attributed several motivations to the most recent North Korean attack.  Some have suggested it stemmed from Kim Jong-il’s efforts to push his son, Kim Jong-eun, forward by getting him involved in incidents that intimidate the South (and that the Cheonan attack is thus part of the succession process).  Others have said that the incident may be the result of “hardliners” in the military who are trying to expand their power within the government.  Some have even opined that this could be North Korea’s attempt to push the U.S. and South Korea back to the bargaining table for a “peace regime.”
While all of these theories are interesting (and unproven), I believe the existing evidence points to motivations that are, in fact, quite clear.  Since 1999, the DPRK has been employing violent and non-violent means in an effort to change the de facto western sea border that separates the two Koreas to boundaries that are more favorable to Pyongyang.  During Roh Moo-hyun’s visit to North Korea (near the end of his Presidency) he agreed in principle to many of the concessions the North Koreans were seeking.  But as the leadership of South Korea transitioned to the more pragmatic Lee Myung-bak government, these concessions were (with good reason) cast aside because of very real security concerns — both for the residents of the five islands that sit astride the NLL and for the maritime shipping that transits near the area.  It is very conceivable that Kim Jong-il ordered the latest set of provocations in order to once again convince Seoul that the current paradigm of the NLL that has existed since 1953 must change. (For an example of the border the North Koreans recognize and would like see officially implemented, see the illustration below).

Source: ROK Ministry of Unification 2007
South Korea has now taken what in my view is a series of very appropriate actions:
•        President Lee announced that he will take the issue to the UN Security Council; the United States has already said it will support Seoul’s position.
•        President Lee also announced that the South will sever all economic ties with the North, with the exception of the Kaesong Industrial Complex (but this too is under review and could come under the axe next if further provocations ensue).  This leaves the South still yet another stick to wield, if necessary, as the Kaesong Industrial Complex comprises roughly 63% of the profits that North Korea gains in trade with the South.
•        The South Korean and United States Navies will enhance anti-submarine warfare activities and take other key deterrence measures against North Korean provocations.
•        South Korea will place increased emphasis on participation in the U.S.- led Proliferation Security Initiative.
The United States can take a number of key actions as well.  Certainly the measures called for under UNSC 1874 can be enhanced and expanded, to include not only efforts to counter North Korean proliferation, but also to target (with the help of the international community) North Korea’s large-scale illicit activities — including illegal drug trafficking and counterfeit currency schemes, among other activities.  The United States can also re-list North Korea as a state-sponsor of terrorism, as Pyongyang’s proliferation to groups like Hezbollah and the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps — groups which are already on the State Department list — is well known.
And what can we expect from North Korea?  Probably much more.  There are likely to be more provocations to come — though the tactics, techniques, and procedures will likely be much different than anything we have yet seen (as these past two provocations were).  Though there will likely be a great deal of chatter in diplomatic circles about how best to deal with the North, the Six-Party talks are of course dead (at least for now).  It is likely that in coming months we could see another set of long- and/or mid-range ballistic missile test launches.  It is also very possible that Pyongyang could conduct another underground nuclear test — perhaps a Highly Enriched Uranium (HEU) test, as opposed to the Plutonium tests that we have witnessed previously (thus showing the world that North Korea has yet another type of “nuclear deterrent”).
The bottom line is that things are likely to get difficult in coming months.  But Kim Jong-il’s government knew this in advance.  They surely anticipated much of what is happening now when they planned for and deployed a submarine to sink a South Korean ship on a peaceful mission in its own sovereign waters.  And thus, as the tension remains thick in the air in coming months, we should not forget the main culprit in all of this: the DPRK.  Unless and until Pyongyang ends it rogue-state behavior, containment is the only practical solution for maintaining security and stability on the Korean Peninsula and in Northeast Asia.
Bruce E. Bechtol Jr. is a professor of International Relations at the Marine Corps Command and Staff College.  The views he expresses are his own and do not necessarily represent the policy or position of the Marine Corps University or the United States Government.

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弄不好醉翁之意不在朝鲜,只不过是美国韩国玩弄的一场韩国内部的政治游戏,目的是韩国内部转移舆论对李明博政府的强烈不满。主要线索举例:
1、进口美国牛肉
2、天安舰自沉
3、被朝鲜玩弄的白白向朝鲜提供援助而毫无等价回报
先举这些事例,这些都导致韩国内部转移舆论对李明博政府的强烈不满,所以炮制一个鱼雷事件来挽救李明博政府。

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这个事情,对李某政权的伤害很大,很没面子,主要是军队的戒备松懈到了非常严重的程度,居然在海上巡逻之中能打手机与家人拉家常(就凭这个就足够能被人家侦察定位了,并实时知道有没有发现来袭潜艇-如果发现情况全体进入战位了,谁还没心没肺有空打手机呢?);还有就是明知是谁做的,但又投鼠忌器,不能报复到位,只能骂骂咧咧,连个经济制裁都搞得不三不四。
在地方选举之后,很快就会对韩国军方高层问责换马,这个事情已经定好了。估计海军参谋总长会下来。

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除了邀请国际调查,增加一点调查结果的可信度,是个比较高明的招数,其他的表现,只能用‘窝囊’二字形容。

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这就是为什么韩国的舆论会把无法发泄的怒气发到中国头上的重要原因,不能把把金某人怎么样,于是只能把‘窝囊透顶’的怒气胡乱发作一气。

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连很多韩国人自己都不信这个调查报告

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刚刚读了一遍报告,请大家注意最后一句:There is no other plausible explanation.(没有其他任何看似合理的解释)。这样的结论能说是客观的吗?

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15日已经决定合同参谋议长李相宜引咎辞职,韩民求上将接任。
另外对其他人的处理不会因此罢休。

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飘过!!!!

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