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远程打击数量差距巨大。空军JASSM采办目标超过7000发！陆军中程和中远程武器总数估计也就100-200件打底了，它是打算作为战略资源使用的，参照当年带核武的潘兴2导弹，实战部署不过109发。

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11月18日，美国陆军未来司令部组织14家高技术企业到率先装备M109A7火炮的第1骑兵师第3装甲旅级战斗队第82炮兵团2营现场观看实弹射击演示，分析研究提高火炮射速的办法。

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M109A7没有打算换装自动填弹器吧。ERCA一定要换成auto loader也不是只为了提高射速，那个70公里XM1113炮弹的超级XM654装药系统，比普通成人身高还长，要手动装弹是不现实的。

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照片里面，自走炮炮塔后部那个突出物是何物？

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我认为不是。原文说的是14家不同领域的企业，而且是有合同的。如果要换自动装弹机，肯定要找同业企业竞争，而且用不着十多家来看，几家总承包商就够了。我猜测这些可能就是M109A7现有的零部件供应商，给他们看完整的射击流程，要他们从人机工效的角度，改进零部件，优化射击流程，以达到提高射速的目的。

附原文：

GREYWOLF Brigade Hosts Paladin Live Fire Demonstration

Story by: Sgt. Calab Franklin, 3ABCT, 1CD, Public Affairs

FORT HOOD, TEXAS – Deep in the rolling hills of the Fort Hood training areas, GREYWOLF Troopers, civilian technological masterminds, and the U.S. Army Futures Command (AFC), look for new ways to modernize the Army’s most up-to-date version of the Paladin self-propelled howitzer system, Nov. 18, 2020.

The GREYWOLF Troopers of 2nd Battalion, 82nd Field Artillery (2-82 FA), 3rd Armored Brigade Combat Team, 1st Cavalry Division, hosted this live fire demonstration in collaboration of over 14 high end civilian agencies and AFC in hopes of increasing the firing rate of the self-propelled howitzer, adding a technical edge to an already extremely lethal piece of weaponry.

“We have 15 firms out here that we have on contract and each have a different niche, each have a different core competency, and each are really at the top of our game in what they do,” said Col. Tim Fuller, project manager for Self-Propelled Howitzer Systems. “It is absolutely imperative that we have partnerships and relationships with all of our folks within the military as well as in industry outside of the military.”

Several GREYWOLF Troopers were assigned to escort multiple groups of civilians to the firing lines where the contracted agencies could analyze the way the system currently operates and think of innovative ways to modernize the equipment.
“We’ve asked them to take a look at how we do things today, and what we can do better; specifically, improving the rate of fire of our self-propelled howitzers,” said Fuller.

The agencies were also invited to take a tour of the inside of the vehicle to get a closer and a more in depth look at how the machinery works.

“This ties into what our brigade has already been doing, we are undergoing a huge modernization effort right now across the brigade,” said Capt. Stewart Tice, Bravo Battery Commander, 2-82 FA. “This battalion is fielding brand new A7 Paladins, along with new ammo supply vehicles, and in addition we just replaced our entire Humvee fleet with the new Joint Light Tactical Vehicle trucks.”

The GREYWOLF brigade and the 1st Cavalry Division is the tip of the spear when it comes to the modernization of the Army, making them the perfect hosts for the innovative and modern team to spectate.

Tice added, it makes him immensely proud to be a part of the demonstration and that all of the Troopers were very excited to be chosen and welcome all of the partners to look at ways to make them [Paladins] better.

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炮塔尾部上方那个金字塔形状的物体吗？我也不知道是什么。有大图，好像是个什么设备舱，尾部和顶部有手动开启的舱门。

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已装备M109A7火炮的有3个ABCT：
第1步兵师第1装甲旅级战斗队第5炮兵团1营，2019年1月至10月赴欧部署，2020年9月欧文堡演习；
第1步兵师第2装甲旅级战斗队第7炮兵团1营，2020年1月至10月赴韩部署；
第1骑兵师第3装甲旅级战斗队第82炮兵团2营，2020年8月接装。

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M109A7采购目标是619门，所有ABCT炮兵营都换要换装的。但M1299ERCA首先是装备给野战炮兵旅的155自走炮营。这些营还是12炮制吧，比较小。

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明年参加美陆军卡车炮测试的型号埃尔比特系统AMOS

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耐克系统集团CAESAR

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英国宇航系统弓箭手

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我比较看好Brutus，简单轻便，现役通用中卡底盘，可维护性、机动性都好。尤其是战略机动性，卡车炮是用来装备SBCT的，Stryker能够由C-130运输机空运，如果卡车炮不能由C-130空运就没有意义了。直观看起来，只有Brutus确定能由C-130空运，其他都够呛。弓箭手比Brutus重了一倍多，肯定没戏。

估计最终Brutus会把底盘改成HIMARS那样的装甲驾驶室FMTV。HIMARS在军属炮兵旅都用装甲驾驶室，更靠前的旅属炮兵营没理由不用装甲驾驶室。


https://www.amgeneral.com/wp-con ... 55MM-MHS_102020.pdf

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Brutus缺陷在于它还是试验品，技术不成熟。Brutus的炮是M777改装的轻后坐力，虽然机动性好，但无自动填弹系统，发射速度慢，相比较其他几款车组人员加炮手最少只需3人。Brutus还是39倍炮管长势必也影响其射程。

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我觉得，射程和射速不是美国陆军在卡车炮上追求的目标。ABCT最新装备的M109A7都没有实现自动装弹和更长炮管，比ABCT更轻更注重机动性的SBCT没有必要在这方面具有超越ABCT的能力。

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凯撒6X6也可由C-130空运，那么被SBCT采用还是大有希望的。Brutus只能进一步减重，争取能被CH-47吊运，这个量级就是独一份了，自然会成为IBCT的车载155炮。

Brutus被FMTV底盘占去了太多死重。炮本身很轻，全炮加火控只有不到5300磅/2.4吨，但底盘自重超20000磅/9吨。还是换个轻一些的底盘比较好。JLTV和FMTV差不多重，排除掉。自重轻，同时又能载重超5000磅的平台也就 Flyer 72 了。Flyer 72 TUV型载重6000磅/2.7吨，装下这门炮绰绰有余，且全重11200磅/5.1吨，满足CH-47D/F 26000磅/11.8吨的最大吊运重量限制。不过， AM General 不生产 Flyer 72，火炮生产商 Mandus 可以放弃 AM General，找 GD-OTS 或 Oshkosh 合作。

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问题不在与载重，而是车底盘是否能承受炮开火时的后坐力压力。Brutus虽然是非常轻后坐力，毕竟是155榴弹炮，后坐力还是蛮大的，Flyer72底盘吃不消。
6*6底盘凯撒，无自动填炮，炮弹载量有限。没有圆满的选择，总是trade off。

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ERCA首度实现了发射神剑击中70公里外的目标。

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只要能运得动，可以安装一种类似于PLS的液压装卸装置，把炮卸到地面再打；另外一种思路是，可以在行军时将炮座向前倾倒置于车尾，部署时再用液压收放装置把炮座垂直立于地面，就像飞毛腿导弹起竖那样。凯撒等车载炮也是利用液压收放驻锄把后坐力直接传导到地面，避免底盘受后坐力冲击。

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解放军在西藏部署的155卡车炮与上面几种比较如何？

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没法比较。国外武器装备主要性能和采购价格是公开的，国内的谁知道？知道的谁敢说？

我把国外这几种炮的官方数据发上来。如果你了解国内的，可以自行比较。







ARCHER Mobile Howitzer_Brochure.pdf

幻客

明年参加测试的还有塞尔维亚Nora B-52，比较例外。