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不晓得海军陆战队有没有列装“斯特赖克”,上图LAV-A2应该就是LAV-25装甲车的后续改进型,近年很少出现在媒体视野里,该车在陆战队承担什么任务、是个什么角色?一直困惑着我···
神剑 发表于 2011-8-6 15:17


登陸初期的武力偵蒐,大多編制在偵蒐營裡面,
除此之外還可作為步兵的火力支援等等多方面工作。

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Army Equipment Program2016美國陸軍2016的裝備報告書截圖...

1.裝甲車部分除了AMPV,還多了一個EAB M113計畫,大概升級未被汰換掉的M113
2.坦克部分,2015年有出現M1A3的計畫,2016年又取消了,換成M1升級和未來坦克(Futrue Tank)兩種可能。
也就是說美軍坦克計畫又回到混沌不明的情況
3.M2的部分和坦克一樣,持續升級M2或是新的FFV計畫...
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M1A2SEPv3就是传闻中的M1A3,当时没有定下最终型号名称。
布雷德利ECP实施后型号制式就升到M2A4。布雷德利 ...
幻客 发表于 2015-10-24 20:23


因為2015年的報告書有獨立出一個M1A3的計畫,
2016年取消這項目了
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卡塔尔的豹2A7居然没集成主动防护系统,话说西方的装甲战车哪年才会加上主动防护系统(大部分连导弹告警系统 ...
@wmwx 发表于 2015-12-27 01:59


主動防衛系統最大問題是他的爆炸範圍太廣,很有可能會傷到附近的士兵和平民,再加上目前的技術只能攔截反裝甲導彈,
對於用火炮發射的HEAT彈還是無法攔截也是西方國家不使用主動防衛系統的原因之一,


目前美軍做法是改變戰術運用,用步兵為主,
早在2004年伊拉克大城Fallujah掃蕩戰役中,就幾乎是用步兵來作戰,
M1坦克被評估不利於在市區作戰在部屬在外圍...


但是敘利亞卻沒辦法這麼做,什葉派的政府軍人數是屬於劣勢
(到底和敵對的自由軍差多少其實不明,但是一般來說伊斯蘭世界遜尼派佔了90%,什葉派只有10%,
所以自由軍兵力至少有政府軍的5-6倍以上)


敘利亞政府軍只能靠T-72和BMP做出類似威力掃蕩的作戰,主動攻擊自由軍掌控的城鎮,
衝進去亂轟一陣趕快撤出,藉由搗亂行為避免自由軍勢力不斷擴大...

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本帖最后由 sfsm 于 2015-12-28 20:46 编辑
从逊尼派和什叶派的总人口来推断兵力是很不靠谱的做法,当初两伊战争时, 逊尼派一方的伊拉克虽然得到阿 ...
白云居士 发表于 2015-12-27 15:11


被你指正後發現用遜尼、什葉派的比例做比較的確錯誤很大。敘利亞部分比較沒問題,什葉派比例只有17%,
敘利亞總統巴沙爾·阿薩德應該只能靠裝甲部隊和自由軍對峙...


伊拉克部分就比較混亂,但是很明顯地也苦於兵力不足的問題,
直到2015年3-5月youtube影片出現真主黨支援伊拉克的影片,伊拉克軍隊才開始有反擊的力道...

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SAIC發布AAV7的升級改良計畫
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Walsh: Marines May Protect Tanks With Active and EW Protection Systems, Much Like Ship Self-Defense

As anti-tank threats are growing increasingly sophisticated, the Marine Corps is looking at protecting its ground vehicles with active protection and electronic warfare systems to fend off incoming rounds the same way ships and planes do today.

Lt. Gen. Robert Walsh, deputy commandant for combat development and integration, said at a Senate Armed Services seapower subcommittee hearing on Wednesday that as technology proliferates, the anti-tank threat is rapidly evolving. The Navy is investing in protecting its ships and aircraft from similar threats, and Walsh said it’s time for the Marine Corps to take the same approach for its ground vehicles.

“When we start getting threats on our aircraft, our helicopters, our fixed wing aircraft, [from] infrared missiles, we quickly put out a capability to defeat those types of missiles,” he said.
“Now we’re seeing the threat on the ground changing, becoming a much more sophisticated threat on the ground. What we’ve continued to do is up-armor our capabilities on the ground, put armor on them. We’ve got to start thinking more with a higher technology capability, with vehicle protective systems, active protective systems that can defeat anti-tank guided munitions, RPGs (rocket-propelled grenades) … along with soft capability, which is the technology our aircraft have.”

To that end, the Marine Corps is partnering with the Army to test out the Israeli Trophy Active Protection System (APS). The Army is leasing four systems and will experiment with their Stryker combat vehicle and M1A2 tanks. The Marine Corps is currently modifying some of its M1A1 tanks to install mounts for the Trophy system, and the service will later work with the Army to test the protective system on the Marine tanks against anti-tank guided missiles and RPGs, he told USNI News after the hearing.

The Trophy system has both an active and a soft component. When sensors detect an incoming threat, the active system fires small rounds to deflect the threat, Walsh said, noting that “when they’re going that fast, it doesn’t take much to deflect them away.”

The soft side uses jammers in the same way ship and aircraft self-protection systems do.

“The anti-ship missiles are getting better and better, so the Navy’s having to continue to put better capabilities on the ships to be able to defeat it,” he said, with the Marine Corps now seeing those same advances in anti-tank technologies.
“I think that’s the side we’re really going to benefit from the Navy capabilities, because the Navy has some very good EW (electronic warfare) capabilities. So getting into our warfare centers and working with the Navy on how to get better at electronic warfare capabilities, that’s the soft side of it.”

Walsh added that the Marines are also investing in unmanned aerial systems to help with reconnaissance, to try to find the enemy before they can launch missiles at American tanks. Even with more eyes in the sky, the enemy will still be able to fire off shots, and Walsh said the Marines need to do better than simply adding more armor to protect personnel inside from blasts.

With all the extra armor, the vehicles are getting so heavy that mobility is suffering, he said.

“And certainly being with the Navy, coming from the sea, we want to be able to be lighter and quicker,” Walsh said.
“And so I think technology is getting smaller – we talk about that all the time – the technology and processors are getting smaller to allow us to put it … on each individual vehicle in the future.”

More broadly, Walsh said at the hearing that the Marine Corps is in the midst of conducting a force structure assessment to understand what type of force and of what size it will need to succeed in the future operating environment, much like the Navy is conducting an FSA to inform future ship count requirements.

“In fact I just left the commandant and senior leadership just before I came over here, and we’re conducting our force structure assessment, and it’s all projecting into that future operating environment,” Walsh told the senators.
“And we see this as probably the most complex operating environment, both at the lower end of the spectrum and certainly at the higher end of the spectrum. And we have not really seen since the Cold War these types of capabilities, when you start getting into precision weapons, ability to sense the area and also working in the electromagnetic spectrum.”

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MPF项目其中一个要求32吨重量限制,可见美陆军希望得到一款载弹量更大的轻型坦克,如果XM8强 ...
@wmwx 发表于 2017-3-5 15:32

MPF主砲爭議尚未有定論,
一派認為考慮到成本和後勤,應該使用現有的火炮(105mm或是120mm),
而William Nuckols上校主導的一派認為應該要用50mm火炮,換取更輕的重量和更多的攜彈量。
唯一的選擇就是Bushmaster III

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黑騎士無人地面戰鬥車原本是BAE在2006研發的概念車,
之後就收進倉庫...

直到今年3月份,BAE又把這玩意挖出來展示,
讓美國軍事雜誌又有一些對於2035年下一代戰鬥車輛的推論...   

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算是MPF的小新聞,
美國82空降師像海軍陸戰隊借了幾輛LAV-25做空投測試,

這新聞重點是空降師不是用Stryker而是用LAV-25,
因為Stryker重量為17噸,
LAV-25只有13噸還有一個25mm機砲。

這測試大概可以猜測出空降師對於MPF的重量標準設定在哪。
當然不只是空投,還有一連串的戰鬥模擬測試。
如果LAV-25就能滿足空降師的需求,
那麼18噸的M8 AGS要獲得青睞的可能性就越低了..

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通用動力底下子公司GDOTS宣布他們的鐵拳(IronFist)成為M2/M3主動防衛系統,
並宣稱有攻擊無人機的能力
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本帖最后由 sfsm 于 2017-7-16 12:52 编辑

一開始所有IBCT都會配一連的MPF,
所以才有爭議,因為空降部隊和IBCT對於防護力要求相差太大
(82空降師認為只要能抵擋12.7mm機槍就足夠,馬上就有IBCT將領反對)

MPF目前沒有新聞,唯一消息是要在YF2017最後一季(2018年1月-3月)提出RFP(request for proposal)。

預定在2022年就要量產。
所以方向是不研發全新科技,直接採購現有的裝甲車輛和裝備,
甚至連商用裝甲車也納入選項...
http://www.defensenews.com/articles/army-on-fast-paced-track-to-get-mobile-protected-firepower-into-force

之前有一派支持MPF安裝50mm火炮,但是看樣子時間上已經來不及了,
所以還是有可能會用105mm或是120mm火炮。

以目前資訊推測,
火炮系統可能是用比利時CMI的雙人砲塔,這也是歐美武裝的輕裝甲火炮唯一選擇。CMI最新產品是 Cockerill 3000系列...




幾乎可以安裝在所有輕型裝甲上,也無需整合、重新設計。

不然就是通用動力的Griffin,那是用Ajax車體安裝M1砲塔,但是可能要花時間進行測試、整合,
所以不知道通用動力是否真的會這樣做。

車體的話外商不談,BAE可能會用CV90或是AMPV的車體,
通用動力應該會用史崔克或是Ajax。

我是認為BAE比較佔優勢,AMPV是美軍標準裝備,生產線正在運行,
不論是生產成本或是維修通用性都有優勢在。

通用動力大概只能用史崔克才能在成本和維修上和APMV競爭,
但是防護力和生存性都較低。
唯一優勢就是IBCT都是用輪型車輛(JLTV),可以進一步整合維修(至少輪胎可以用一樣的)...

另外我猜測空降師和空降IBCT可能會退出MPF,
因為空降師和IBCT雙方的需求差異太大,MPF應該不能用C-130運輸了...
加上2016年底有82空降師向美軍USMC借了LAV-25進行測試,
USMC還說如果測試滿意,美國陸軍打算接受60輛LAV-25。

所以空降師可能會改用LAV-25...或是用LAV-25換裝更大的火炮。
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本帖最后由 sfsm 于 2017-7-22 09:10 编辑
专业底盘比IFV底盘更合用

另外,轻型坦克/突击炮的炮塔并非比利时CMI专享,瑞典、德国和意大利等也有研制 ...
@wmwx 发表于 2017-7-17 21:21


妳第一張圖的KAPLAN MT就是用CMI的砲塔。

雖然request for proposal還沒發布,但是透漏的訊息也不少了。

美軍對於MPF最重要的訴求很明確→能快速生產
(2018年發布RFP,同年年底可能就要招標,2022年就要量產)

所以還沒量產的設計是不接受的。M8獲選可能性極低,另外你提到的瑞典CV90-120同樣只是只有一台原型車並未建立生產線,
重點是瑞典在2014年就放棄那個120砲塔,換上CMI的Cockerill XC-8。




德國的TAM中型坦克是1980設計,早在1995年就停產,
去年競標印尼的中型坦克,德國有把貂鼠A3裝上義大利OTO Melara HITFACT 105砲塔,
但是輸給的土耳其的KAPLAN MT。


OTO Melara HITFACT 砲塔就是人馬座在使用的砲塔,是高後座力設計,
對車體承受後座力的要求較高,不利於競標。


日本自衛隊使用OTO Melara砲塔




另外你也不用擔心車體太小攜彈量不足的問題,因為這種砲塔都是把砲彈存放在砲塔尾部
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